tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post114257553818128178..comments2023-10-18T03:25:02.182-07:00Comments on GenderEvolve - Transgender Transformation: Transgenderism is a Gift!Michele Angeliquehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15003914627166309594noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143876828683205982006-03-31T23:33:00.000-08:002006-03-31T23:33:00.000-08:00Hola girls!I found the Tao Te-Ching thoughts poste...Hola girls!<BR/><BR/><BR/>I found the Tao Te-Ching thoughts posted by Brielle really beautiful. I think there is nothing better than getting to know one-self and accept it as a truly beautiful manifestation of God in our reality.<BR/><BR/>There are many problems in our world for some people to try to lecture us on what should we feel, act or think. When are they going to respect everybody? We Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176681003220962006-03-23T21:04:00.002-08:002006-03-23T21:04:00.002-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 22nd, 2006 at 4:48 pm Mich...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 22nd, 2006 at 4:48 pm <BR/>Michele,<BR/><BR/>I rather doubt we’re on the same side. I do assume the worst about people claiming tness, for good reason. Yes, guilty until proven innocent.<BR/><BR/>But when you speak of Helen openly supporting Betty, you also have to recognize that this open support also deals in open concern, fear, worry and yes, negativity. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176660849328342006-03-23T21:04:00.001-08:002006-03-23T21:04:00.001-08:00micheleangelique Says: March 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 am...micheleangelique Says: <BR/><BR/>March 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 am <BR/>Diane,<BR/><BR/>Please do not miss my point. While you may have “succeeded” at sparking discussion among a great many people, it took a titanic amount of empathy on my part to get past your negativity and fear-mongering, in order to take the extra time needed to comprehend your message. You could have “succeeded” with me far more Michele Angeliquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003914627166309594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176642722089602006-03-23T21:04:00.000-08:002006-03-23T21:04:00.000-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 22nd, 2006 at 8:56 am Mich...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 22nd, 2006 at 8:56 am <BR/>Michele,<BR/><BR/>It has simply been my experience that kind words do not provoke thought or more importantly change. I have clearly suceeded with you, where Helen’s more conciliatory prose didn’t.<BR/><BR/>I will be writing a piece in our next newsletter on the business of gender-giftedness. It ties together with a presentation a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176621293476592006-03-23T21:03:00.002-08:002006-03-23T21:03:00.002-08:00micheleangelique Says: March 22nd, 2006 at 3:41 am...micheleangelique Says: <BR/><BR/>March 22nd, 2006 at 3:41 am <BR/>Diane,<BR/><BR/>Realizing that you are not a genetic woman, but rather, a crossdresser yourself, puts everything you’ve said in a different light. Rather than indignation, I now feel only compassion for you. I hope that you discover and claim your own gender gift, dear one. Your rough demeanor and defensive undertone are a result Michele Angeliquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003914627166309594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176603236530042006-03-23T21:03:00.001-08:002006-03-23T21:03:00.001-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 20th, 2006 at 2:42 pm Stac...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 20th, 2006 at 2:42 pm <BR/>Stacie,<BR/><BR/>Um. No. I am negative. I’m a scold and gadfly. Let’s not confuse things. I’ve simply seen too much hurt out there. The sun isn’t shining out. My concern is far more for the people caught in the backwash of this, the wives, children and families than people starting out. There is far too much cheerleading, far too much Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176584079078292006-03-23T21:03:00.000-08:002006-03-23T21:03:00.000-08:00stacie ku Says: March 20th, 2006 at 12:38 pm Diane...stacie ku Says: <BR/><BR/>March 20th, 2006 at 12:38 pm <BR/>Diane;<BR/><BR/>As you said about me - “You personally I know from no one, and I make no judgement or assumption about your life.” So my comments are simply restricted to my reactions to your postings here. <BR/><BR/>Your responses remind me of a mother who is constantly admonishing her kids to be careful. It bright and sunny out, but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176561971473272006-03-23T21:02:00.001-08:002006-03-23T21:02:00.001-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 20th, 2006 at 2:41 am Stac...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 20th, 2006 at 2:41 am <BR/>Stacie,<BR/><BR/>Please, by all means run. But there is a huge difference between making use of an attribute and making good use of it. A good runner can just as easily use the ability to snatch purses as win races. You personally I know from no one, and I make no judgement or assumption about your life. I simply know plenty of people Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176539294609472006-03-23T21:02:00.000-08:002006-03-23T21:02:00.000-08:00stacie ku Says: March 19th, 2006 at 11:05 pm This ...stacie ku Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 11:05 pm <BR/>This has been a very interesting thread, to say the least. We are all looking at a gift horse in the month and seeing different things and to continue with the horse thingy (LOL). I don’t know if I’m beating a dead horse here, but here is another take on this gift of ours.<BR/><BR/>We are all born with the ability to run. Some of us haveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176512895950012006-03-23T21:01:00.002-08:002006-03-23T21:01:00.002-08:00helenboyd Says: March 19th, 2006 at 10:35 pm I’m n...helenboyd Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 10:35 pm <BR/>I’m not sure we’re getting anywhere anymore, folks. Assumptions about who people are & where they’re ‘coming from’ have been wrong more often than right, and trying to clarify the positions and opinions are getting muddy. <BR/><BR/>I’m not stopping anyone - just trying to point out that the discourse is going to be decreasingly less Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176489576139432006-03-23T21:01:00.001-08:002006-03-23T21:01:00.001-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 19th, 2006 at 9:50 pm Bri,...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 9:50 pm <BR/>Bri,<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with you celebrating a third sex. But please remember what this was about a long time ago wasn’t a third sex, but people born one sex claiming that they properly belonged in the opposite gender. Not somewhere inbetween. Personally, I have no interest in being perceived as a third gender.<BR/><BR/>I do Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176467368266242006-03-23T21:01:00.000-08:002006-03-23T21:01:00.000-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 19th, 2006 at 9:42 pm Mich...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 9:42 pm <BR/>Michele,<BR/><BR/>If I were to write in a condescending tone, as opposed to what I’ve been writing in, what I’d say would be very different. I’m not speaking down to you, that’s your baggage. I’m speaking against you. <BR/><BR/>You are continuing to make very erroneous assumptions about me, (the MHB regulars will get a quite a chuckle Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176444531854042006-03-23T21:00:00.001-08:002006-03-23T21:00:00.001-08:00micheleangelique Says: March 19th, 2006 at 7:42 pm...micheleangelique Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 7:42 pm <BR/>Diane,<BR/><BR/>You are making some erroneous assumptions about who we are. We are not “a limited group of transsexuals”, we are a diversified group of transgendered and genetic women. Our group ranges from occasional CD to full-time TS to genetic woman, and every point in-between. Furthermore, none of the people who have respondedMichele Angeliquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003914627166309594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176420148159672006-03-23T21:00:00.000-08:002006-03-23T21:00:00.000-08:00Bri Says: March 19th, 2006 at 6:52 pm TY to all wh...Bri Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 6:52 pm <BR/><BR/>TY to all who have spoken up on this event horizon…<BR/><BR/>My thoughts are such that indeed, some theoretical women have issues which go alot deeper than accepting themselves and celebrating their gifts. I believe that there are some very fraught psycholoigical issues with these individuals that are still a battleground in their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176317094317772006-03-23T20:58:00.001-08:002006-03-23T20:58:00.001-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 19th, 2006 at 5:31 pm Aly,...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 5:31 pm <BR/>Aly,<BR/><BR/>“Gender gifted” is used by a variety of people, many of whom don’t transition. Gender gifted is used by TriEss sorts for example. As Helen has noted Peggy Rudd has used the term. There’s transcentric thinking, which is one thing, and then there’s transsexual-centric thinking which is another.<BR/><BR/>Be that as it may, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176296235266162006-03-23T20:58:00.000-08:002006-03-23T20:58:00.000-08:00Aly Says: March 19th, 2006 at 12:02 pm Diane, I th...Aly Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 12:02 pm <BR/><BR/>Diane, I think that much of your perception is a reaction to the initial stages of the transitional process. The dilemma seems clear to me…one cannot percieve the totality of the journey through the experience of the initial transitional reaction and it’s immediate consequences.<BR/><BR/>Although I agree withyour summation of the many Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176263001096442006-03-23T20:57:00.001-08:002006-03-23T20:57:00.001-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 19th, 2006 at 11:11 am My ...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 11:11 am <BR/>My goodness, people are turning out to defend their “gender giftedness.”<BR/><BR/>“Sweetness”…. Yes, I’m sure if you’re some sort of t-person, you’ll enjoy drinking from that cup. But the people around you? The cup you serve them? Ah, that’s another question. Self-indulgent of you not to think of them you know.<BR/><BR/>Adarabeth, The Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176231513099552006-03-23T20:57:00.000-08:002006-03-23T20:57:00.000-08:00Zoe Vars Says: March 19th, 2006 at 9:08 am I think...Zoe Vars Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 9:08 am <BR/>I think Andrea is on the right track here, but I’ll go one further. Yes, you could say it is a matter ones faith, belief, way of thinking - optomism vs. pesimism, but I don’t think it can be a blanket term.<BR/><BR/>There are people whom I would consider Gender Gifted. These are people who really do seem to be able to connect well with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143176134034764092006-03-23T20:55:00.000-08:002006-03-23T20:55:00.000-08:00Diane,From the discussion on the Gender Gift Horse...Diane,<BR/><BR/>From the discussion on the Gender Gift Horse blog , I have been able to discern that you are an individual who has processed and integrated many of your life's experiences and who has a view of reality based on those processes. Early in this discussion, you launched an acerbic, verbal attack on Michele Angelique and others while shunning her notion of gender giftedness. You Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143175776383377502006-03-23T20:49:00.001-08:002006-03-23T20:49:00.001-08:00stacie ku Says: March 19th, 2006 at 4:06 am What d...stacie ku Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 4:06 am <BR/><BR/>What does one do with a gift one does not want? I have it and I can’t get rid of it. Tried giving it away, but couldn’t find any takers.<BR/><BR/>Don’t get me wrong here. I’m one of those gender gifted individuals. I love make-up, getting dressed, going out and everything being feminine entails, yet there are times I wonder how my Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143175746031895122006-03-23T20:49:00.000-08:002006-03-23T20:49:00.000-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 19th, 2006 at 4:02 am Mich...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 19th, 2006 at 4:02 am <BR/>Michele,<BR/><BR/>I’d be happy to engage you in a discussion, although I’m not sure you can deal with anyone who strongly disagrees with you. Why don’t you join the discussion forums and meet me over in the Ivory Tower?<BR/><BR/>By the way, have you actually read “My Husband Betty”?<BR/><BR/>DianeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143175723474325652006-03-23T20:48:00.000-08:002006-03-23T20:48:00.000-08:00adarabeth Says: March 18th, 2006 at 11:14 pm Fasci...adarabeth Says: <BR/><BR/>March 18th, 2006 at 11:14 pm <BR/><BR/>Fascinating discussion on this point … viewing the term of ‘gifted’ as uplifting as it is to me, yet as a threat to some of you …<BR/><BR/>Personally, having lived as transgendered for nearly all of my life and now in transition and still working in a 99% male dominated work world, I am far more inclined to agree with Michele’s Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143175656113147212006-03-23T20:47:00.001-08:002006-03-23T20:47:00.001-08:00~Sweet~ Says: March 18th, 2006 at 8:51 pm Diane,Ev...~Sweet~ Says: <BR/><BR/>March 18th, 2006 at 8:51 pm <BR/>Diane,<BR/>Everyone is allowed their own opinion. Just because your views differ from someone else’s does not make theirs poisoness. I among many others will enjoy drinking out of Michèle’s half full cup for many years to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143175635382066182006-03-23T20:47:00.000-08:002006-03-23T20:47:00.000-08:00micheleangelique Says: March 18th, 2006 at 8:28 pm...micheleangelique Says: <BR/><BR/>March 18th, 2006 at 8:28 pm <BR/>Diane,<BR/><BR/>I do not wish to engage in a flame war on Helen’s board. I do not understand why you feel the need to taunt me with inflammatory comments, however I’m not taking your bait. I’ve too much respect for the proprietor of this website.<BR/><BR/>I will say, however, that your expressions convey the very social ill we are Michele Angeliquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003914627166309594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13656208.post-1143175604538344702006-03-23T20:46:00.001-08:002006-03-23T20:46:00.001-08:00Diane Frank Says: March 18th, 2006 at 7:46 pm Mich...Diane Frank Says: <BR/><BR/>March 18th, 2006 at 7:46 pm <BR/>Michelle,<BR/><BR/>I’ve already replied privately to you on several points since you’ve chosen to address me outside of these forums. But for the public let say simply that I regard the claims of <BR/><BR/>[I]In the case of male-to-female, this is often coupled by a great natural ability to relate on the higher emotional frequency of a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com